a budget fight than a long-protracted fight over the debt ceiling. >> cenk: i'm going to be controversial. i don't think so, and i'll tell you why and michael and grace you can speak to this. i think what it is that their bosses in corporate america said no debt cereal ceiling is sacrosanct. you mess with payments to soldiers any time you like but you're not going to mess with our bonds, what do you think about that, grace. >> that's a little conspiracial for my test, but they said, we can't default. don't hold the economy hostage any more. cut spending where you want to cut spending but don't use the debt limit to do it. they realize there is no political appetite in the business world in the regular world, and in the political world to hold the economy hostage in the way that they did in 2011. >> michael, tell me how in the world they gain leverage by having the fight over the budget or the sequester instead? i don't see it. >> there is something that nobody is talking about here, which is the political leverage that boehner wants right now. i think boehner needs to reassess. i think th